It will be a hard task, but getting votes off the Greens will not grow the “left” of centre vote, it will not beat National, nor will it achieve all that much, to get a few National voters to change their preferences. Does the Labour Party actually know that Cunliffe is leader? I don’t know why a Labour Party that lost its way so badly and has only accidentally taken a few quickly corrected stumbles back to its roots thinks it has the right to be so arrogant about the Greens. Labour will need to fight for each and every vote: this includes against the Greens as well as the Nats. “This country has MMP and we left wing parties need to work in alignment to get a left-wing government” ? There are some in Labour supporting all that explorative oil and gas drilling going on, and also being favourable of off-shore seabed mining and more mining in general. Renew, revitalize, rejuvenate, restore, rekindle, reinvent The West Coast needs employment not coal mining. Chinese can be racist against Pakeha, Maori can be racist against Chinese, Pacific Islanders can be racist against Maori. Firstly, Peter, don’t be reluctant to participate and share your views. I don’t lie in public forums. Terms & Conditions ), and others of their network of like-minded associates, to push relentlessly to put pressure on sick and disabled, that they must prepare themselves to work, as it is supposedly even “therapeutic”!?”. Maybe the wishy washy, “we’ll see what kind of govt we’ll have after the election” works after three or four terms terms, but it simply won’t after two, given the economy and the performance Key still likely has left in him. Ah yes, the UN. In an interview recently Luntz accepted that his tactics had helped create this negativity. now im not so sure. As for Mr Nash’s prediction of the Green vote later this year, even if this is what he believes, I don’t personally think it was at all useful – for the left, for the Labour Party, or for Mr Nash himself – to share such thoughts publicly. She straightens her well-cut jacket and looks as business-like as ever - her hair is neatly pinned up. Don’t waste time on famous-last-words predictions about the Greens’ performance at the next election. We’ve all gotten that lesson from our parents as 12 years old, speaking in a tone that as an adult, I’m surprised we didn’t get locked out in the winter for. 4. Your own polling apart, he is unfettered by a particular group/ line of thinking and does seems to have an odd belief or two. jose antonio molina. “I am not making a comment on the independence of the special winz assessors, or even if its a good thing.”. At no point do I express a ‘hatred of the Greens’. Financial security Join over 84,000 readers and have blog posts sent directly to your inbox. It sounds bland and based on assumptions – not on understanding the mood of the NZ electorate. Still, good on Stuart Nash for snuffing out any illusions that the Labour party had changed for the better. 21. With a new ‘Work Capacity Medical Certificate’ and GPs now being “trained” to do what WINZ and MSD expect of them, even the Auckland City Mission is telling their sick and disabled clients, that “work is good for you”, before signing any medical certificate for them: http://www.aucklandcitymission.org.nz/uploads/file/Calder%20Centre/Sickness%20Benefit%20explanation.pdf. I certainly don’t trust him on the matter of his coalition preferences. Most of the Green party members I know are policy wonks. Based on his research, here are his top 21 words for the 21st century. Actually my dream is to see Cunliffe join the Greens. I think I understand where you have gone wrong Stuart. 17. While the Labour and the Greens are reasonably close from a philosophical perspective, the only way the Greens can grow their vote is predominantly at Labour’s expense. The simple truth is that this concerns a number of voters. We keep hearing references to the Greens’ “extreme left policies” – but little in the way of actually explaining what they supposedly are. Labour should be apologising and begging for forgiveness, not doing their best to consign conscientious politicians to the dustbin of an environmental wasteland. Most go to see a doctor, because they are ill and need treatment and/or a certificate saying so, not the other way around. This is all the more important given the Nats will question Labour’s moral right to form a govt as only the second largest party. The right to… (people want their rights) Not being aware of the other persons world view is why these discussions fall into a lot of spitting and cursing. I expect them to get around the 6.7% they polled in 2008; or even close to the 5.3% they got in 2005.” I love how he makes in point number 2 the very correct assertion that Labour has to get National voters not Green voters to win the election and then states that Labour should fight for Green votes as well as National votes. ), I’d say ‘Follow the yellow brick road’, but noone wants to vote for ACT…. It’s a fantastic book about the use of language in both business and politics and recommended reading for anyone interested in the art of successfully crafting a message. It’s what people hear you say that really counts. 6) What you are speaks so loud I can not hear what you say. Sillier still is stating that Dunne had no substantial input into tax while Revenue Minister – tantamount to saying “Labour wants coalition partners so Labour can govern, but we won’t give you any influence to make being a coalition partner worthwhile”. All-American It’s not what you say, but rather, how you say it that can have the greater impact. Focus on finding the 800,000. Results/can-do spirit (use these!) Article author appears to have no idea why 800,000 people didn’t vote last election, why the Labour vote has collapsed over the last 2 elections, or why the Greens are growing in popularity. Tell me, in what other context would we on the left have it that Churchill, Stalin, FDR, Chaing Kai Shek and Charles De Gaulle agreed on a framework for global power that we expect anything good to come of? Can you be more specific as to what you might regard as “extreme left policies”. (there is amply info about Mansel Aylward in this publication! Think about this in terms of what Labour has done and views of the Green membership. I actually think that Labour will over time become the lesser party if it continually fails to oppose due to its similarities in policy to National. Various writers have offered lists of … Centrist politics is a fabrication, a fantasy. See, Ive already broken his command to keep it simple and brief. Geraint Scott’s comment is a valuable and clear message from ‘a potential voter’ to you – It is not up to you to tell Geraint Scott to ‘read it again’, it is up to you, Stuart Nash, to listen to what people are saying to you regarding what they are hearing in what you write. We’ve become a lax society while the new masters go to work seven days a week. Predicating Green performance on the Brownian motion of MSM reporters is probably less reliable than reading chicken entrails. For interest only. Connected to Voters went left to the Greens, right to NZ First, stayed with Key because Key and another 800,000 odd voters stayed at home. I am sure that the ones at Mediaworks (TV3) and TVNZ are already working on something of this sort: http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2014/01/09/benefits-street-a-healthy-media-would-stand-up-to-the-powerful-and-wealthy-ours-targets-the-poor-and-voiceless-owen-jones/#comment-79003. ..it horrifies me that you were driving/running shearer as opp-leader.. ..(and explains the dismal-failure of those endeavors..). It’s a propaganda concept designed to bend your thinking: whats with the way you write? You’re in the right place! A Grand Coalition. A large chunk of Labour’s voters approach elections as race day. Teh joint launch of the power policy eroded Shearer’s moral authority to lead and promoted Norman to a legitimate opposition leader. Having the party leader go Oliver Cromwell on them might seem satisfying when he’s the guy we support, but the precedent it sets is potentially disastrous. 14. 20. If we contrast the Greens commitment to a more democratic internal party process with the recent re-engineering of the Labour party’s internal selection processes, the Greens parliamentary wing still appears eminently more accessible than anything the Labour party has on offer. I see very little if anything of that being done by National, and Labour are too ambiguous on it all. Hey islamaphobe, turns out there never was a “West”. As a result of these things, you have very little wiggle room left by which to avoid squarely challenging the current status quo. My belief is that it does, it will communicate these in a way that will present a very clear alternative to the current govt, and the policies of the Green party that line up with those of the Labour manifesto will be implemented. Aylward’s “research” on disability was “sponsored” by a US disability insurer that was convicted for fraudulent practices on a number of occasions in the US! Most annoying to read as you never ever make any sense. As for full legalisation, I do not have the impression that that is widely supported amongst Greens and certainly not amongst the wider public. How many Green party members schmooze with Sky City execs in their corporate box? Or when the Labour, Green, New Zealand First and Mana parties held a joint inquiry into the struggling export/manufacturing sector. 03/21/2009 05:12 am ET Updated May 25, 2011 We tell all of our clients the same thing: Intent doesn't matter in communication; interpretation does. You must be unpleasantly surprised at the answer…. So I suppose the point is that only left-wingers would vote for the Greens because they aren’t really a switched on, smart scientific party that sees the world, it’s systems and people as they really are? If I wanted a good treatment I would seek a doctor whom I can trust and see regularly, and I rather rely on my trusted GP’s competence to assess my health than any “designated doctor”, who again sees you only for 15 minutes and has little or no background information. I am fine if this article you write is based on solid research that indicates there really is a problem with regard to ‘how much left’ NZ voters will accept – however my observation of the success of Mr Cunliffe’s message in the leadership campaign – leads me to get the impression that many NZers are fed up with a wishy-washy compromised left message and are more likely to get out and vote if a much more defined and clear left-wing message is sent out – and this article is not that. .”. If the Greens dropped below 5% without holding an electorate seat it would be a disaster for Labour’s aspirations, but this won’t happen (see pervious comment), but there is no way that any political party should willingly give away party votes to any political friend. Peace of mind JANINE – Yes indeed, you seem to be absolutely spot on with your brief but clear comment! 1. it is not a certainty that a Labour led government would be in coalition with the Greens. Of your three points, point (2) is the most contentious: “To have any chance of forming a government post election, Labour, however, has to win voters from National” and “The likelihood of National supporters switching allegiance to the Greens is remote.”. I totally agree that Labour needs to come out hard on both issues – and campaign with sound policies that offer real solutions. Words that work; Its not what you say, its what they hear. Think about how to use them in your language. Helen Clark of course avoided doing a deal with the Greens in 2005 instead swallowing a dead rat (festering stinking and diseased rat ) to go with the corrupt and impossible Winston and his ego. Luntz has built a career out of focus groups, message design and attack ads based on appealing to prejudice and ignorance. What is your stand on Dr David Bratt, and his positions, and what he propagates and misinforms the wider medical profession, and the public with, selectively using data from questionable, not sufficiently proved “research”. We always hear about the Labour-Green coalition v the National government. 2005 5.3% Re msd and certification. The political authority of Labour to lead an alternative government was significantly eroded when Shearer shared the podium with Norman. I suspect, Jon, they love the current strategy more…, Yoza – that thought is swirling around in my head… (In between banging it against said brick wall. Respectfully, I am not aware of anyone having any understanding what so ever about a Vision from Labour…. There is only a 15 minute time slot. That is if you want to take your blinkers off, which some people stubbornly refuse to do. Green party members (I am one) and voters are well and truly sick and tired of hearing it. That isn’t Cunliffe’s decision to make, imo. cd i ask why the comment i made..as a wrap-up 2 nash..some 36 hrs ago.. ..from this side..i can’t see any reasons.. ..but curiousity drives me to ask:..did nash delete it..? “..you are the stellar example of everything that was wrong with the neo-lib clarkist-govt..”. Marc. Is the … button on your computer stuck? In brief, I would describe this as an attitude of unnecessary competitiveness with the Green Party. 2002 7.0% What is your and Labour’s position on the draconian work capability assessments, on even the Auckland City Mission lecturing the down and out people (many homeless) that they must get ready to WORK, while they suffer all kinds of illnesses, poverty, addiction, and are far from being able to work? Historically, the Greens party vote has been: A Wgtn Green insider once told me that he believed that at least 80% of their voters would support Labour if the Green party did not exist. elocal: “What message do you want to get out to the 200,000 Auckland people reading this?” What about trying to get the votes of the silent group of non voters, of dissenters that see no point in voting, who are largely the totally marginalised working poor, those on benefits and others who are marginalised? We can’t compete. I’d say that 15% should be their target. To actually see a Vision and some Policy would be a wonderful thing. It was pure gold for the Greens; and it ignored the basic playbook of a leader of the opposition. For Labour, for their party’s election aspirations’ sake, yes that makes sense. ..and it horrifies me even more that you don’t yet seem to come within a bulls-roar of understanding how ‘wrong’ you are/were.. ..it horrifies me even more..that there are so many more like you in the labour party.. ..and i guess the same can be said for those other neo-lib labour mp’s/officials.. ..that ‘bulls’-roar’ also applying to them.. ..and these realisations just take me back to the reaction early in the thread.. “..bangs head against a red brick wall..”. I fully acknowledge that if a Labour-led government is to be a reality in 2014 then it MUST mobilise a significant number of the ENV (enrolled non-vote). “It’s not what you say, it’s what they hear,” is a really important concept for nonprofits. This does not sound akin to the type of attitude that got Mr Cunliffe elected as leader. The way to get them back is not to “bash a hippy”, but to actually advocate for socially democratic policies and engage with the electorates concerns. In it Nash abandons any consideration of a social vision in favour of narrow electoral goals. Either way, when you have a firm grip on the way you say things (and not just what you say), you’ll come across as a much stronger candidate and dramatically up your chances of landing that job. Interesting comment, and perhaps the musing of someone who wanted to read something in the post which actually isn’t there. 1. The only way you’ll get back in to power without the Greens is like Germany or Italy. If they want to be in govt bad enough in 2014 it will happen. Wealth redistribution definitely must not be based on consumerism. It puts a nagging doubt in the minds of the punters out in Voter Land just where your priorities lie. 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